placeholder

Life's a blur. I've used up my spare time in setting up the Board.
Next weekend, I'll seed the areas of the board with some info, and link the main topic pages of the Tír into a header for each board.

For now, just fire off any questions or answers that come to mind.

Um...what is the difference between mythology and folklore? Its a mythtery to me.

Good question (Go to top of class, do not pass Go,....)

Mythology:
A body of Myths -
Tradional narrative usually involving supernatural or imaginary persons.


Folklore:
Tradional beliefs and stories of a people.


Kinda the same, but 'Cures for warts', Holy Wells, etc would belong in Folklore but not in Mythology

Mythology for gods and godlike
Folklore for a more living tradition

I could be wrong, of course (fat chance)

So then I (as a Goddess) would be a myth rather than a legend in my own mind then?

Body of myth works.

okay hamster...steal the Cures for Warts....there's a couple of lurkers we can sell them to...and remind me to email the vatican to get Holy Well status for the Jameson Distillery...hmm, this board seems to be bolted down...darn, foiled again.

So mythology, by this definition, would be what's said or written. And folklore would be what people actually believed, or acted upon. Mythology would be the adverts, and folklore would be what's in the cupboard?

Exercising Ghosts & Creating Myths
"In death's dream kingdom visions arise"

http://www.cosmo1700.freeserve.co.uk/reimman.htm

don't forget to leave a comment

I can say the site link above is well worth the visit!! .. very impressive work! ...... please, all take the time to enjoy this work!

Wowee !! I've never been in this room before. Questions you'd like Acc? HHhhmmm.....Okay, got one. There does appear to be an unusual amount of unsupported claims and information regarding "Patrick". What is the official current story of his origins. I like the Coney Island Hot Dog story the best but I'm not so sure that'd stand in more sophisticated circles. Also please advise if there is a place on-line that details his Confession (?) properly and accurately. TANKS GUY!!

http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/source/pat-confession.html

Apologies to Acc for pre-empting him, but Patrick is one of my favourite fellas. His Confession is translated at the site above. The only other work attributed to him with confidence is his 'Letter to Caroticus', in which he berates Caroticus and his men for raiding Ireland from Britain and carrying off some of Patrick's converts to be sold as slaves. I haven't been able to find the 'Letter' on the web, but I could post it to the board if Acc thinks it wouldn't take up too much space. It's just over 11K.

Patrick says in his Confession that he came from a village called Bannavem Taburniæ, but its location has never been ascertained. The general consensus, although not agreed by all scholars, is that it was in either Wales or northern England.

I am trying to document the term "Osrainge"/"Oisrainge". It would mean "people of the deer" or "Children of Oisin".

If anyone could help me I would appreciate it a great deal.

You can Contact me at Ailidh_na_Osrainge@Yahoo.com

Thank You

Animals were regarded as protective by many early Irish tribes. Examples are the Artraige, the bear-people, Osraige, deer-people, Grecraige, horse-people, Dartraige, calf-people, and Sordraige, boar-people. It has been suggested that the name of one tribe, the Bibraige, means ‘beaver-people. If this is correct, it indicates a remote continental origin for these people, because beavers were never indigenous to Ireland.

The Osraige inhabited the southern part of present-day Kilkenny during the 8th century.

I must admit my forebearer's had a thing for animals. It's nice to hear that there were other "raiges" out there.

I've just about come to blows over this topic. Anyone who tries to tell me that my ancestors didn't exist is walking a dangerous path. I thought my Sicilian (NOT Italian>>>) side taught me to be rabidly clanish!!

Ailidh

Oh dear people...please help! In 1963 I read a story about Patrick. In the story, the author referred to Patrick's sweet-ringing bell as the "finn foya".

I have been researching everywhere to find the source of this. I do not know the author's name, nor can I remember the title of the story. (I was very young in those days.)

Please help me find this. I am working on a project where this term is to be used and I must document my sources.

Now, it's been going on near 40 years since I last read that, so I might have the spelling wrong. I've searched the internet, web-sites from all over and various encylopedias, databases and libraries on the planet.

I ask you...have you ever heard of this before? Do you know where it's from?

I'd geatly appreciate any help that anyone give...as I am so discouraged in my search.

Thanks!

Hi! I just posted the message above. If you have any information and you prefer to send an email message to me...feel free to do so at nestamanach@hotmail.com

Thanks! Nesta

Clog Dubh?

http://www.anu.net/reek/bell.html

http://www.ionline.net/~djm/Crough_Patrick.htm
The Clog Dubh was also known as 'Bearnan Bhrighde', (Tripartite Life) that is the "gapped bell of Brigid" due to its broken state. It is also referred to as 'Clog Geal' (Bright Bell).

http://www.cdisys.com/netis/demos/catholica/cathen/02418b.htm

'Myth establishes people, places and things...it identifies them and gives them some sort of conceptual place. Indeed the whole of Greek Mythology may be viewed as an enormous text in dialogue with that other text, the world in which we live.'[1]

[1] Ken Dowden, The uses of Greek Mythology (London 1992) p. 74.

Now to find a definintion of Folklore that's very different *sigh*

''sorting the fodda from the chaff'' Folklore is taking the best and the worst of the collective remembering and experience .. developing the story around the remembering .. enjonying the memory.

I dont think the Greeks or Egyptian's were/are much different to us/our forefathers.

Did the ancient irish ask help or aid to gods ? In the tales no hero has ever said: "Please Lug, help me" or similar formulas.

I haven't come across any instance when they did. The closest I've seen is when they took an oath. "I swear by the gods my people swear by."

the Druids would ask help from the Gods and Goddesses (last time i checked).

Hot off the presses (-ish)

May Eve and piseóg's
http://www.limerick-leader.ie/issues/20010428/byrnes.html

*calls the leprechauns to her aid* .. hey, I gave birth to a son on your day ... sooo .. sprinkle some of ya magic dust my way, ok????